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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby Dredge » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:47 pm

romansh wrote:
Dredge wrote:In other words, as a Catholic, I can judge other Catholics if they are transgressing a law (or laws) of the Church.  


Yes of course you can Dredge ... I am not saying you should or should not. I am just pointing out that by your lights you are a sinner for doing so.

I'm a sinner for doing so?  I don't understand.  Please explain.
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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby Dredge » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:50 pm

Bill wrote:I suspect that it might all be a trap Yahweh has set up to cull the flock. If it is really true that he will only let 1.5 million souls into the promised land, he has to set LOTS of ways for the faithful to fail to qualify. Leading them into temptation seems to be a well-known ruse of his.

This "1.5 millon" thing is nonsense, Biblically speaking.
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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby romansh » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:00 pm

Dredge wrote:
romansh wrote:
Dredge wrote:In other words, as a Catholic, I can judge other Catholics if they are transgressing a law (or laws) of the Church.  


Yes of course you can Dredge ... I am not saying you should or should not. I am just pointing out that by your lights you are a sinner for doing so.

I'm a sinner for doing so?  I don't understand.  Please explain.

Did Jesus not suggest that you don't judge others?
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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby Bill » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:13 pm

Dredge wrote:
Bill wrote:I suspect that it might all be a trap Yahweh has set up to cull the flock. If it is really true that he will only let 1.5 million souls into the promised land, he has to set LOTS of ways for the faithful to fail to qualify. Leading them into temptation seems to be a well-known ruse of his.

This "1.5 millon" thing is nonsense, Biblically speaking.

It possibly meets the definition of "few" which is just as nonsensical as the 144,000 limit the Jehovah's Witness deduce from their version of scripture.

But leading the faithful into temptations seems to be much in line with scripture as it has become to be written.
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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby Dredge » Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:43 am

romansh wrote:Did Jesus not suggest that you don't judge others?

There are different kinds of judgement. Only God can judge the heart of an individual. This is what Jesus was talking about.
But on the other hand, a Christian can judge the behaviour of another Christian according to the laws of the Church. This is not a judgement of the heart of an individual. A Christian can say to another Christian, "What you are doing is wrong, according to Church law", but cannot then say, "Since you are doing the wrong thing, you are evil." Judging whether an indivual is evil or not is a judgement that only God can make.
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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby romansh » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:31 pm

Dredge wrote:
romansh wrote:Did Jesus not suggest that you don't judge others?

There are different kinds of judgement. Only God can judge the heart of an individual. This is what Jesus was talking about.
But on the other hand, a Christian can judge the behaviour of another Christian according to the laws of the Church. This is not a judgement of the heart of an individual. A Christian can say to another Christian, "What you are doing is wrong, according to Church law", but cannot then say, "Since you are doing the wrong thing, you are evil." Judging whether an indivual is evil or not is a judgement that only God can make.


This is just not the prerogative of Christians.

So doing wrong is not doing evil ... fair enough.
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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby Dissily Mordentroge » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:34 pm

Bill wrote:
Dredge wrote:
Bill wrote:I suspect that it might all be a trap Yahweh has set up to cull the flock. If it is really true that he will only let 1.5 million souls into the promised land, he has to set LOTS of ways for the faithful to fail to qualify. Leading them into temptation seems to be a well-known ruse of his.

This "1.5 millon" thing is nonsense, Biblically speaking.

It possibly meets the definition of "few" which is just as nonsensical as the 144,000 limit the Jehovah's Witness deduce from their version of scripture.
But leading the faithful into temptations seems to be much in line with scripture as it has become to be written.

I'm reminded of a brief discussion I had with an Catholic theology lecturer on the subject of the 'bad' popes. Drunk at the time he offered 'Only a divine institution could survive the machinations of Satan' After a few more vodkas I enquired how is was the Roman church had maintained it's power over the centuries. " It's simple" he told me" You construct a moral code so strict you know they can't fully adhere to it. They break the rules, feel guilty and fearful of eternal damnation then you have them in your power" His response was lightening fast but his reaction afterwards told me he felt he'd revealed too much lurching out into the back yard and passing out.
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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby Dissily Mordentroge » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:57 pm

romansh wrote:
Dredge wrote:
romansh wrote:Did Jesus not suggest that you don't judge others?

There are different kinds of judgement. Only God can judge the heart of an individual. This is what Jesus was talking about.
But on the other hand, a Christian can judge the behaviour of another Christian according to the laws of the Church. This is not a judgement of the heart of an individual. A Christian can say to another Christian, "What you are doing is wrong, according to Church law", but cannot then say, "Since you are doing the wrong thing, you are evil." Judging whether an indivual is evil or not is a judgement that only God can make.


This is just not the prerogative of Christians.

So doing wrong is not doing evil ... fair enough.

evil
adjective
1.
morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked:
evil deeds; an evil life.
2.
harmful; injurious:
evil laws.
3.
characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate;disastrous:
to be fallen on evil days.
4.
due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character:
an evil reputation.
5.
marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.:
He is known for his evil disposition.
noun
6.
that which is evil; evil quality, intention, or conduct:
to choose the lesser of two evils.
7.
the force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin.
8.
the wicked or immoral part of someone or something:
The evil in his nature has destroyed the good.
9.
harm; mischief; misfortune:
to wish one evil.
10.
anything causing injury or harm:
Tobacco is considered by some to be an evil.
11.
a harmful aspect, effect, or consequence:
the evils of alcohol.
12.
a disease, as king's evil.
adverb
13.
in an evil manner; badly; ill:
It went evil with him.
Idioms
14.
the evil one, the devil; Satan

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wrong
adjective
1.
not in accordance with what is morally right or good:
a wrong deed.
2.
deviating from truth or fact; erroneous:
a wrong answer.
3.
not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; inerror:
You are wrong to blame him.
4.
not proper or usual; not in accordance with requirements orrecommended practice:
the wrong way to hold a golf club.
5.
out of order; awry; amiss:
Something is wrong with the machine.
6.
not suitable or appropriate:
He always says the wrong thing.
7.
(of clothing) that should be worn or kept inward or under:
You're wearing the sweater wrong side out.
noun
8.
that which is wrong, or not in accordance with morality, goodness, ortruth; evil:
I committed many wrongs.
9.
an injustice:
The wrongs they suffered aged them.
10.
Law.
an invasion of another's right, to his damage.
a tort.
adverb
11.
in a wrong manner; not rightly; awry; amiss:
You did it wrong again.
verb (used with object)
12.
to do wrong to; treat unfairly or unjustly; harm.
13.
to impute evil to (someone) unjustly; malign.
Idioms
14.
get in wrong, Slang. to cause to come into disfavor:
We are forever getting in wrong with the people next door.
15.
go wrong,
to go amiss; fail:
Everything is going wrong today.
to pursue an immoral course; become depraved:
Bad friends caused him to go wrong.
16.
in the wrong, to blame; in error:
He knew he was in the wrong but refused to concede the point.
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Re: Mark of the Beast

Postby alka » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:24 pm

if you are referring to the chip that was talked about a few years a go it had nothing to do with buying and selling things it was a medical thing that would of listed peoples medical problems once food stamps tattoos and social security was considered the mark of the beast :devil:
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